Wednesday, May 23, 2007
Tuesday, May 22, 2007
New category created at Still Fed Up
I will start a new category here in direct response to Jennifer's constant ongoing plea that someone please tell her the sins she committed.
While you gentle reader may not have enough supporting facts to substantiate my list of sins, Jen does.
I'm not asking you to take what I say on faith that my word is true. I'm asking you to believe Boerne Christian Assembly, Faith Presbyterian Church, Living Water Fellowship.
This blog is NOT here to retry Mark and Jen. Three Godly Churches have looked at the merits of the case and found the Epsteins "misleading" and in need of "true repentance".
So most of what is said under the category "Jen's sins" is for Jennifer's benefit. SHE knows what I'm saying is true.
(So do Mark and Natasha)
A final thought I'll try as best I can to differentiate between the sins that got her excommunicated and the laundry list she has created here on the blogosphere.
Just to get things rolling I'll end the post with a specific.
Doug never called Jen a Jezebel.
Didn't happen.
It's a lie.
Jen made the claim the day BCA told "it to the church" It was false then just like it was when she first posted it on Ministry Watchman.
This is why BCA rebuked her for "wrongfully manipulate(ing) facts and individuals" yet I don't expect any substantive change on her part because after all she was excommunicated for "habitually refusing to acknowledge sins when confronted for them"
S.J.
yes I'm Still Fed Up.
While you gentle reader may not have enough supporting facts to substantiate my list of sins, Jen does.
I'm not asking you to take what I say on faith that my word is true. I'm asking you to believe Boerne Christian Assembly, Faith Presbyterian Church, Living Water Fellowship.
This blog is NOT here to retry Mark and Jen. Three Godly Churches have looked at the merits of the case and found the Epsteins "misleading" and in need of "true repentance".
So most of what is said under the category "Jen's sins" is for Jennifer's benefit. SHE knows what I'm saying is true.
(So do Mark and Natasha)
A final thought I'll try as best I can to differentiate between the sins that got her excommunicated and the laundry list she has created here on the blogosphere.
Just to get things rolling I'll end the post with a specific.
Doug never called Jen a Jezebel.
Didn't happen.
It's a lie.
Jen made the claim the day BCA told "it to the church" It was false then just like it was when she first posted it on Ministry Watchman.
This is why BCA rebuked her for "wrongfully manipulate(ing) facts and individuals" yet I don't expect any substantive change on her part because after all she was excommunicated for "habitually refusing to acknowledge sins when confronted for them"
S.J.
yes I'm Still Fed Up.
Sunday, May 20, 2007
A Blast from the Past
This was originally posted on December 7, 2006, but since Jen, Corrie, Lynn, and Cynthia don't have a very good memory I have decided to repost this important post dealing with the issue of how Doug Phillips DID NOT break any pastoral confidences or the laws of Texas.
Jennifer Epstein’s Own Private Legal System
Fallacy back again….
What in the world is Jen talking about? BCA leaders breaking a “privileged” communication about Jen’s adultery? Oh please!!!. This is yet just another example of Jen Epstein—minister of propaganda—Internet Terrorist—openly lying to the general public.
Fallacy Slayer wants to know if Jennifer has any idea what a “privilege” is? Obviously she is not dealing with any “privilege” in the Bible, since no such privilege exists. In fact, the Bible requires ongoing sins to be dealt with (Which is what BCA did). If people don’t deal with them, the people are to be brought before the church and corrected for their sins (Which is what BCA did). If they won’t hear the church, they are to be kicked out. (Matt 18) (Which is what BCA did).
Did they really think they could go to many witnesses for counsel, spill the beans of their sordid family crisis, both continue to sin on the very subject matter related to the adultery, and then prevent the leaders that they went to from holding them accountable for addressing the very issues? Fallacy Slayer is beginning to see some problems… Are they suggesting that church discipline may not involve addressing relevant facts? (By the way, can you imagine the kicking and screaming they would have done if they had been disciplined by BCA and no facts had been presented to the congregation---you can’t have it both ways Jen!)
Fallacy Slayer is going to ask again if this just another example of an Epstein legal threat? Yes, the same Epstein’s that hypocritically whined for months on the internet about how wrong it is for Christians to sue Christians, after they had themselves threatened leaders at BCA (see BCA document) with legal threats and then attempted extortion. News Flash for all those who may have forgotten: The Epstein’s NO longer have the protection of 1 Corthinians 6 as Excommunicants.
Fallacy Slayer and the others have been pointing these issues out for the last week and a half. However, over at the Blind Ministry Lapdog of the Epstein’s site they won’t even allow discussion of these issues.
Well obviously, now they are claiming that some supposed legal right has been violated—a clergyman-communicant privilege. Kind of like the attorney/client privilege. The problem here is that THEY DON’T HAVE THE FIRST IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! They are literally making things up. Nobody has a “copyright” or “ecclesiastical privilege” to get counsel from a group of church leaders and then never, ever have their sins exposed if they continue in them.
You can do the google searches for yourself folks. Fallacy Slayer did. (Just like Jennifer does when she talks like a lawyer on her site) Here is what you will discover—the clergy privilege (where it even applies) prevents ordained ministers like Roman Catholic Priests from violating the rules of their Church by being compelled to testify on confidential matters, it does not prevent them from testifying. Also, it applies to a secular court, not a church. Also, it never even applies when there are multiple people present or exposed to the facts.
Is Jennifer suggesting that she or Mark were alone with Phillips and that they revealed this “big secret” to no one but him. This is really, really hard to believe. It is especially hard to believe given the fact that all the evidence, which she is in and she has revealed to indicate that there were always multiple parties involved in meetings with the two of them. That is what the documents (some of which have now been revealed to be dishonestly doctored by Jennifer to mislead people into thinking there was only one person) indicate! (See some of Fallacy Slayer’s other post for discussions on this point) Let’s just make sure we keep dealing with the actual facts folks, and not the fantasies of Jennifer Epstein.
Let's not forget that she and Mark both told the information about her adultery to the following people:
Bob Welch
Doug and Beall Phillips
Bob and Debbie Sarrat
Mo and Amelia Gill
Richard and Reba Short
Rick and Joni Huber
And that's just for starters.
Fallacy Slayer would also like to point out that beyond this absurd privilege claim is that fact that Jennifer is her own worst enemy. She cannot control herself, so she spreads information about her own adultery to hundreds and hundreds of people---now thousands---through her letters and now the Internet.
Folks, isn’t it clear that we are dealing with bitter people that will do just about anything for vengeance? Fallacy Slayer thinks it is VERY CLEAR!!!!!
So, just to conclude this post, Doug Phillips didn't break any laws of "Constitutional Due Process" like Mark claims on his website.
I’m just the Fallacy Slayer
Jennifer Epstein’s Own Private Legal System
Fallacy back again….
What in the world is Jen talking about? BCA leaders breaking a “privileged” communication about Jen’s adultery? Oh please!!!. This is yet just another example of Jen Epstein—minister of propaganda—Internet Terrorist—openly lying to the general public.
Fallacy Slayer wants to know if Jennifer has any idea what a “privilege” is? Obviously she is not dealing with any “privilege” in the Bible, since no such privilege exists. In fact, the Bible requires ongoing sins to be dealt with (Which is what BCA did). If people don’t deal with them, the people are to be brought before the church and corrected for their sins (Which is what BCA did). If they won’t hear the church, they are to be kicked out. (Matt 18) (Which is what BCA did).
Did they really think they could go to many witnesses for counsel, spill the beans of their sordid family crisis, both continue to sin on the very subject matter related to the adultery, and then prevent the leaders that they went to from holding them accountable for addressing the very issues? Fallacy Slayer is beginning to see some problems… Are they suggesting that church discipline may not involve addressing relevant facts? (By the way, can you imagine the kicking and screaming they would have done if they had been disciplined by BCA and no facts had been presented to the congregation---you can’t have it both ways Jen!)
Fallacy Slayer is going to ask again if this just another example of an Epstein legal threat? Yes, the same Epstein’s that hypocritically whined for months on the internet about how wrong it is for Christians to sue Christians, after they had themselves threatened leaders at BCA (see BCA document) with legal threats and then attempted extortion. News Flash for all those who may have forgotten: The Epstein’s NO longer have the protection of 1 Corthinians 6 as Excommunicants.
Fallacy Slayer and the others have been pointing these issues out for the last week and a half. However, over at the Blind Ministry Lapdog of the Epstein’s site they won’t even allow discussion of these issues.
Well obviously, now they are claiming that some supposed legal right has been violated—a clergyman-communicant privilege. Kind of like the attorney/client privilege. The problem here is that THEY DON’T HAVE THE FIRST IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! They are literally making things up. Nobody has a “copyright” or “ecclesiastical privilege” to get counsel from a group of church leaders and then never, ever have their sins exposed if they continue in them.
You can do the google searches for yourself folks. Fallacy Slayer did. (Just like Jennifer does when she talks like a lawyer on her site) Here is what you will discover—the clergy privilege (where it even applies) prevents ordained ministers like Roman Catholic Priests from violating the rules of their Church by being compelled to testify on confidential matters, it does not prevent them from testifying. Also, it applies to a secular court, not a church. Also, it never even applies when there are multiple people present or exposed to the facts.
Is Jennifer suggesting that she or Mark were alone with Phillips and that they revealed this “big secret” to no one but him. This is really, really hard to believe. It is especially hard to believe given the fact that all the evidence, which she is in and she has revealed to indicate that there were always multiple parties involved in meetings with the two of them. That is what the documents (some of which have now been revealed to be dishonestly doctored by Jennifer to mislead people into thinking there was only one person) indicate! (See some of Fallacy Slayer’s other post for discussions on this point) Let’s just make sure we keep dealing with the actual facts folks, and not the fantasies of Jennifer Epstein.
Let's not forget that she and Mark both told the information about her adultery to the following people:
Bob Welch
Doug and Beall Phillips
Bob and Debbie Sarrat
Mo and Amelia Gill
Richard and Reba Short
Rick and Joni Huber
And that's just for starters.
Fallacy Slayer would also like to point out that beyond this absurd privilege claim is that fact that Jennifer is her own worst enemy. She cannot control herself, so she spreads information about her own adultery to hundreds and hundreds of people---now thousands---through her letters and now the Internet.
Folks, isn’t it clear that we are dealing with bitter people that will do just about anything for vengeance? Fallacy Slayer thinks it is VERY CLEAR!!!!!
So, just to conclude this post, Doug Phillips didn't break any laws of "Constitutional Due Process" like Mark claims on his website.
I’m just the Fallacy Slayer
Friday, May 18, 2007
Jennifer Epstein--Railer
While other moms are busy keeping home and caring for her children, she is hunting Doug Phillips, holding publicity stunts and abusing her children by making them break the law with her.
Jennifer Epstein is a railer and her obsession is taking a very sick turn.
Right about now, everybody who has been following her trail of never-ending lies, publicity stunts, and very strange behavior knows that something is not right with Mrs. Epstein.
Do you remember this railer's account of the bed of adultery?
With the same shameless, brazen spirit of self-righteousness with which she wore her binoculars and flaunted authority in Arlington during her most recent public expedition, Jennifer Epstein bragged about her right to refuse to honor her husbands weeping, crying appeals to get rid of the bed of her adultery...the bed that reminded him every day that she had lied, and committed adultery in and then demanded he submit to her repentance by allowing her to keep the bed of adultery as a centerpiece of their home.
Something is deeply, deeply wrong with Mrs. Epstein.
Living Waters Fellowship knows that.
Faith Presbyterian Church knows that.
Boerne Christian Assembly Knows that.
The San Antonio Home School organization knows that.
A supreme court justice who fired her co-conspirator for helping her break the law knows that.
Vision Forum knows that.
Except for three very angry women (Corrie, Cynthia, and Lynn)--and the various dozens of personalities under which Jennifer Epstein authors her own self-congratulations society---everybody knows that.
And now this feminist, turned habitual liar, turned accuser of dozens, turned self-appointed prophet of righteousness---is behaving like a stalker.
Her credibility may be gone forever---but, ladies and gentlemen ever since this website was started we have been getting reports from many people who are afraid to stand up to Jennifer Epstein for fear of her family's instability and rage. However, these dear people have told us the truth of what really goes on in the Epstein household. Everything from Mark being admitted to the hospital for suicidal tendencies, and Jennifer not going to visit him, to Mark being admitted to the hospital for alcohol poisoning and being told by his family to take a cab home from the hospital because Jennifer was out of town and this just within the last few weeks.
What is going on here? Folks we need to pray for the Epstein’s, but we also need to hold them accountable for their evil deeds of darkness. They can’t play victim and also attack dog and expect us to feel sorry for them. Just read Mark’s latest dribble.
Ladies and gentleman, Jennifer Epstein has major problems and it is not Doug Phillips. It is SIN. Jen needs to repent for her antics and take the Log out of her own eye before she starts warning everyone about others. Jennifer has gone to great lengths to try and harm the reputation of Vision Forum by sending out emails warning people not to do business with them. She sent out an email to Home School leaders stating:
We would ask that you carefully consider the ramifications of your organization’s relationship with Doug Phillips, through his serving as a speaker at your conferences or otherwise, and the great harm that it could cause to not only your organization’s reputation, but to Christian home education in general, by promoting him and giving him a platform to advance his extremist views.
But then goes on to say that she went to the Arlington Book Fair because:
I enjoy attending home school conferences. It’s always a good learning experience, so I’d like to give a report on a home school conference that I attended this past weekend in Arlington, Texas. The Arlington Book Fair is a large home school conference with several interesting speakers, one of which was Doug Phillips. I credit Doug with teaching me many valuable things.
So Jen lies to Home School leaders saying that by having Doug speak “great harm it would cause to the organization” but Jen now states that Doug “[has taught her] many valuable things” and she wanted to go and hear him speak?
In addition, she has worked with white supremacists by commenting on their blogs and telling lies about Doug Phillips. Then she denied that she worked with Harry Seabrook. Mark goes so far as to say that Badonicus was shut down because Harry Seabrook didn’t like him attacking the Epstein’s. However, he doesn’t try and say that Harry’s bigotry is wrong, just Badonicus’ bigotry. They both continue to defend Harry Seabrook and his lies that his website was “hacked.” Matt Chancey proved that his site wasn’t hacked and Harry knows it wasn’t hacked. Otherwise, Harry would sue Matt Chancey.
Check out the “thank you” letter written by Mark Epstein to Harry Seabrook and posted on Little Geneva:
Dear Harry, I publicly commend you for your stand for justice. This is a foundational principle of a godly government — whether civil or church. Regardless of what anyone thinks of my past marital situation, whether I should have divorced Jennifer, or any other concerns, Christ’s sacrificial death (on our behalf) is the basis for the imputation of righteousness to each of us
Posted December 23, 2006
You see Jennifer and Mark will work with anyone in order to destroy Doug Phillips.
She has worked with a staff attorney at the Alabama Supreme Court who was terminated for his “vile schemes” which could cost him losing his bar license at a minimum. She and her husband have libeled Brad Phillips and Persecution Project by saying they are guilty of “genocide” of innocent Sudanese children and Mark even alleged a government cover up!! What is up with these people?
Jennifer and Mark keep on talking about the fact that Doug Phillips is nothing but a sensationalist. Well, folks I would like to ask you all a question.
Is this comment from Mark not “sensational?”
In his article, “Questions and Lies,” published on January 2, 2007 on www.ultimatetruth.wordpress.com, Mark Epstein wrote, “If the US Government refused to acknowledge the truth concerning Arafat’s documented murderous behavior, thereby allowing the media to “spin” him as a peacemaker (let’s not forget his Nobel Peace Prize), then what makes anyone think the US Government is going to share information with the local Virginia authorities about a small time Christian ministry leader’s [Brad Phillips’] alleged criminal activity[genocide of innocent Sudanese children] – particularly if the information was inadvertently obtained during the course of a classified operation?”
What about this comment from Mark where he tries to Black Mail Doug Phillips:
Doug, allow me to make it perfectly clear that this issue of excommunication is not going to go quietly away…[Y]ou [have] opened the door for public discussion of your behavior…If I do not hear from you by then, I will assume that you desire I take this issue elsewhere…[Y]ou stand to lose far more than I do….Doug, you know it only takes the touch of a button to find yourself in a similarly embarrassing situation as R.C. Sproul, Jr. Ask your IT folks how easy it is to reduce the … correspondence between us to Adobe [Acrobat] files, and then ask yourself if you want Jennifer’s letter of May 2005 seen side-by-side with your response…
And what about this outrageous statement by Jennifer:
“Our BCA experience feels like we were raped.”
So the Fallacy Slayer is asking now who is the sensational writer? Mark alleges government cover-ups of Brad Phillips, he threatens to black mail Doug Phillips, and his wife says that Doug Phillips and BCA “spiritually raped” her. Let’s not forget that Mark and Jen voluntarily joined BCA. No one demanded that they become members. They did it on their own free will. Now that they were held accountable by the very church that they agreed to submit to they want to blame it on BCA and specifically Doug Phillips. There’s no basis in fact for Jen to assert “spiritual rape” except that it makes great propaganda for all the bitter women out there who don’t like to be under authority.
These people are nuts folks!!
Further, she has lied to Kate Felmey by telling her she didn’t leave a message on her phone when in fact Kate recognized her voice on her answering machine once she put up the video from Arlington! See www.Kateschosen.wordpress.com for the details.
So ladies and gentleman, boys and girls of all ages, Mark and Jennifer Epstein’s have serious problems, but they need to cease and desist from their antics regarding Doug Phillips and humble themselves before the Lord and seek His forgiveness.
If Mark and Jennifer will do this I know the Lord will forgive them and so will BCA.
I quote from the Faith PCA letter
“The elders of BCA stand willing to meet with you to hear your expression of true repentance.”
Jen’s entire wordpress site is an example of the Epstein’s railings (look up the definition folks) as they bring such charges as spiritual rape, murder, and ecclesiastical tyranny against BCA and Doug Phillips. Why would anyone at BCA or the world for that matter seriously consider the Epstein’s willingness to show repentance and be restored in the face of such open and ongoing rebellion.
Until then, I’m just the Fallacy Slayer
Jennifer Epstein is a railer and her obsession is taking a very sick turn.
Right about now, everybody who has been following her trail of never-ending lies, publicity stunts, and very strange behavior knows that something is not right with Mrs. Epstein.
Do you remember this railer's account of the bed of adultery?
With the same shameless, brazen spirit of self-righteousness with which she wore her binoculars and flaunted authority in Arlington during her most recent public expedition, Jennifer Epstein bragged about her right to refuse to honor her husbands weeping, crying appeals to get rid of the bed of her adultery...the bed that reminded him every day that she had lied, and committed adultery in and then demanded he submit to her repentance by allowing her to keep the bed of adultery as a centerpiece of their home.
Something is deeply, deeply wrong with Mrs. Epstein.
Living Waters Fellowship knows that.
Faith Presbyterian Church knows that.
Boerne Christian Assembly Knows that.
The San Antonio Home School organization knows that.
A supreme court justice who fired her co-conspirator for helping her break the law knows that.
Vision Forum knows that.
Except for three very angry women (Corrie, Cynthia, and Lynn)--and the various dozens of personalities under which Jennifer Epstein authors her own self-congratulations society---everybody knows that.
And now this feminist, turned habitual liar, turned accuser of dozens, turned self-appointed prophet of righteousness---is behaving like a stalker.
Her credibility may be gone forever---but, ladies and gentlemen ever since this website was started we have been getting reports from many people who are afraid to stand up to Jennifer Epstein for fear of her family's instability and rage. However, these dear people have told us the truth of what really goes on in the Epstein household. Everything from Mark being admitted to the hospital for suicidal tendencies, and Jennifer not going to visit him, to Mark being admitted to the hospital for alcohol poisoning and being told by his family to take a cab home from the hospital because Jennifer was out of town and this just within the last few weeks.
What is going on here? Folks we need to pray for the Epstein’s, but we also need to hold them accountable for their evil deeds of darkness. They can’t play victim and also attack dog and expect us to feel sorry for them. Just read Mark’s latest dribble.
Ladies and gentleman, Jennifer Epstein has major problems and it is not Doug Phillips. It is SIN. Jen needs to repent for her antics and take the Log out of her own eye before she starts warning everyone about others. Jennifer has gone to great lengths to try and harm the reputation of Vision Forum by sending out emails warning people not to do business with them. She sent out an email to Home School leaders stating:
We would ask that you carefully consider the ramifications of your organization’s relationship with Doug Phillips, through his serving as a speaker at your conferences or otherwise, and the great harm that it could cause to not only your organization’s reputation, but to Christian home education in general, by promoting him and giving him a platform to advance his extremist views.
But then goes on to say that she went to the Arlington Book Fair because:
I enjoy attending home school conferences. It’s always a good learning experience, so I’d like to give a report on a home school conference that I attended this past weekend in Arlington, Texas. The Arlington Book Fair is a large home school conference with several interesting speakers, one of which was Doug Phillips. I credit Doug with teaching me many valuable things.
So Jen lies to Home School leaders saying that by having Doug speak “great harm it would cause to the organization” but Jen now states that Doug “[has taught her] many valuable things” and she wanted to go and hear him speak?
In addition, she has worked with white supremacists by commenting on their blogs and telling lies about Doug Phillips. Then she denied that she worked with Harry Seabrook. Mark goes so far as to say that Badonicus was shut down because Harry Seabrook didn’t like him attacking the Epstein’s. However, he doesn’t try and say that Harry’s bigotry is wrong, just Badonicus’ bigotry. They both continue to defend Harry Seabrook and his lies that his website was “hacked.” Matt Chancey proved that his site wasn’t hacked and Harry knows it wasn’t hacked. Otherwise, Harry would sue Matt Chancey.
Check out the “thank you” letter written by Mark Epstein to Harry Seabrook and posted on Little Geneva:
Dear Harry, I publicly commend you for your stand for justice. This is a foundational principle of a godly government — whether civil or church. Regardless of what anyone thinks of my past marital situation, whether I should have divorced Jennifer, or any other concerns, Christ’s sacrificial death (on our behalf) is the basis for the imputation of righteousness to each of us
Posted December 23, 2006
You see Jennifer and Mark will work with anyone in order to destroy Doug Phillips.
She has worked with a staff attorney at the Alabama Supreme Court who was terminated for his “vile schemes” which could cost him losing his bar license at a minimum. She and her husband have libeled Brad Phillips and Persecution Project by saying they are guilty of “genocide” of innocent Sudanese children and Mark even alleged a government cover up!! What is up with these people?
Jennifer and Mark keep on talking about the fact that Doug Phillips is nothing but a sensationalist. Well, folks I would like to ask you all a question.
Is this comment from Mark not “sensational?”
In his article, “Questions and Lies,” published on January 2, 2007 on www.ultimatetruth.wordpress.com, Mark Epstein wrote, “If the US Government refused to acknowledge the truth concerning Arafat’s documented murderous behavior, thereby allowing the media to “spin” him as a peacemaker (let’s not forget his Nobel Peace Prize), then what makes anyone think the US Government is going to share information with the local Virginia authorities about a small time Christian ministry leader’s [Brad Phillips’] alleged criminal activity[genocide of innocent Sudanese children] – particularly if the information was inadvertently obtained during the course of a classified operation?”
What about this comment from Mark where he tries to Black Mail Doug Phillips:
Doug, allow me to make it perfectly clear that this issue of excommunication is not going to go quietly away…[Y]ou [have] opened the door for public discussion of your behavior…If I do not hear from you by then, I will assume that you desire I take this issue elsewhere…[Y]ou stand to lose far more than I do….Doug, you know it only takes the touch of a button to find yourself in a similarly embarrassing situation as R.C. Sproul, Jr. Ask your IT folks how easy it is to reduce the … correspondence between us to Adobe [Acrobat] files, and then ask yourself if you want Jennifer’s letter of May 2005 seen side-by-side with your response…
And what about this outrageous statement by Jennifer:
“Our BCA experience feels like we were raped.”
So the Fallacy Slayer is asking now who is the sensational writer? Mark alleges government cover-ups of Brad Phillips, he threatens to black mail Doug Phillips, and his wife says that Doug Phillips and BCA “spiritually raped” her. Let’s not forget that Mark and Jen voluntarily joined BCA. No one demanded that they become members. They did it on their own free will. Now that they were held accountable by the very church that they agreed to submit to they want to blame it on BCA and specifically Doug Phillips. There’s no basis in fact for Jen to assert “spiritual rape” except that it makes great propaganda for all the bitter women out there who don’t like to be under authority.
These people are nuts folks!!
Further, she has lied to Kate Felmey by telling her she didn’t leave a message on her phone when in fact Kate recognized her voice on her answering machine once she put up the video from Arlington! See www.Kateschosen.wordpress.com for the details.
So ladies and gentleman, boys and girls of all ages, Mark and Jennifer Epstein’s have serious problems, but they need to cease and desist from their antics regarding Doug Phillips and humble themselves before the Lord and seek His forgiveness.
If Mark and Jennifer will do this I know the Lord will forgive them and so will BCA.
I quote from the Faith PCA letter
“The elders of BCA stand willing to meet with you to hear your expression of true repentance.”
Jen’s entire wordpress site is an example of the Epstein’s railings (look up the definition folks) as they bring such charges as spiritual rape, murder, and ecclesiastical tyranny against BCA and Doug Phillips. Why would anyone at BCA or the world for that matter seriously consider the Epstein’s willingness to show repentance and be restored in the face of such open and ongoing rebellion.
Until then, I’m just the Fallacy Slayer
Thursday, May 17, 2007
The Lady in Red
Well, sports fans, Fallacy Slayer back with a Newsflash: Yes, folks, the "lady in the red dress" that Jennifer calls a "liar" is none other than Beverly McCord -- longtime home school leader in Texas.
And surprise, surprise, this time the "lady of ill-repute" is not sporting red, but is none other than Jennifer Epstein.
Let's summarize a few points from Jennifer Epstein's latest "red dress" video and thread.
First, Jen claims that "Beverly is a liar." Yet "Texas Home School leader" has revealed to us that the lady who Jennifer Epstein claims to be liar-liar-red-dress-on-fire is none other than one of the founders of the home school movement in Texas and one of its most respected leaders.
If you tell a Catholic that Mother Theresa was a tramp, you will probably get a blank stare. And if you tell a Texas home schooler who knows their history that Beverly McCord's is a "deceiver," you should expect a similar response.
Bad form, Jen. Your lady in red has turned out to be one of the beloved matrons of Texas' home school legacy.
Nice try. You're not fooling anyone.
Second, Jen asserts that Ruth Perez is guilty of spreading a "long list of falsehoods" about her. Drum roll, folks -- Jen's ID'd another liar!
Wow, Jen's got some special gift! Once again, folks, this claim stretches the imagination. Gavino and Ruth have been laboring in the FEAST vineyard for two decades (sound familiar?), and while I am sure that the Perez' are not perfect, their reputation as "deceivers" has never been raised by anyone that I know of -- other than Jen Epstein.
Hmm…either Jen's got some really uncanny knack for spotting liars (maybe it's those binoculars around her neck in the video that are helping her) that no one else can see, or, well --- she's the culprit.
Anyone -- whose last name is not Epstein -- care to come forward to back Jen up on the Pinocchio-Perez "lie" story?
I don't think so.
Third, Jen claims to Chris C. that Faith's statement -- "The elders of BCA stand willing to meet with you to hear your expression of true repentance" -- is "not what you think."
If it's now what Chris thinks, I think, Billy Bob Smob thinks, and everyone else who reads plains English thinks it means (namely, that: "The elders of BCA stand willing to meet with you to hear your expression of true repentance"), then what does this mean?
Is it another lie, Jen? Another hundred-and-fifty pound whopper? Did Faith lie to you and Mark when they wrote this letter you? Did they hand you a "long list of falsehoods" concerning BCA, just like Ruth Perez did concerning your FEAST episodes?
Speaking of the letter, Jen, in your "primary source" fervor, I have yet to see YOU produce the letter that Faith gave Mark and you following their meeting with BCA.
What happened to it, Jen? Did the letter conveniently "disappear" like the original Joe T. process server documentation?
Call me the gambler if you want, but I'd be willing to bet money that you've got it. And I think I'd win.
So why the uncharacteristic omission, Jen? Why don't you post the letter -- in full? You have called on BCA to do this, so why don't you beat them to the punch and prove all of the nay-sayers and "liars" wrong? What are you hiding from?
Oh, I forgot…it's not "what I think it is." The Faith PCA letter must be filled with just another pack of lies. I guess that the Faith PCA guys have gone the way of Ruth Perez, BCA, and everyone else. And I bet their elders' wives wear red dresses, just like that liar, Beverly McCord.
Oh, and while we're at, why don't we just throw Little Bear in with the lying scumbags too.
First, you tell us to praise LB on the home school conference trail; and then you later tell us he's a "coward?" Which is it, Jen?
Then, in your home school leader e-mail bomb, you write this of Doug and LB's relationship: "Doug retaliated against Little Bear by terminating their long friendship, and he even removed most, if not all, Mantle Ministries products from the Vision Forum catalog."
And yet Pastor Little Bear and his fellow Pastors inform us: "The pastors of Living Water Fellowship desire that it be known that no issue exists between Living Water Fellowship, Boerne Christian Assembly or its leadership."
Somebody's "lying" here, Sports Fans, and I am going to guess that Jen says it's not her. Sounds like a story we've heard before.
So, Jen, does Little Bear now need to start saving money to buy a bright red costume so that he can join Bev and the Gang as they lie to you and your family into the paddywagon?
This whole red dress "liar" mantra is straining my noggin, so let's wrap this one up.
Yes, folks, Beverly McCord is the one in the "red dress." And she and her husband, Kirk, started the Arlington Book Fair, the Texas Home School Coalition, and HOPE for Texas.
And while this couple has endeared themselves to home schoolers around the Lone Star State after twenty years of sacrificial service, now we learn that, after all this, they are, well, charlatans -- "liars" to be precise.
I guess that next we'll learn that the McCords didn't start THSC and Hope for Texas -- that's a lie too. We'll also probably learn that the McCords stole the Arlington Book Fair from some unsuspecting honest woman and then changed the "dress code" to "red."
Right now, we're one Whopper short a family-size Burger King meal, but I don't think we'll have to wait very long…
"Beverly is a liar, I am very sorry to say," quoth Jen.
Enough of this.
Here's my response:
"[Jen] is a liar, I am very sorry to say."
Until next time,
I'm just the Fallacy Slayer
And surprise, surprise, this time the "lady of ill-repute" is not sporting red, but is none other than Jennifer Epstein.
Let's summarize a few points from Jennifer Epstein's latest "red dress" video and thread.
First, Jen claims that "Beverly is a liar." Yet "Texas Home School leader" has revealed to us that the lady who Jennifer Epstein claims to be liar-liar-red-dress-on-fire is none other than one of the founders of the home school movement in Texas and one of its most respected leaders.
If you tell a Catholic that Mother Theresa was a tramp, you will probably get a blank stare. And if you tell a Texas home schooler who knows their history that Beverly McCord's is a "deceiver," you should expect a similar response.
Bad form, Jen. Your lady in red has turned out to be one of the beloved matrons of Texas' home school legacy.
Nice try. You're not fooling anyone.
Second, Jen asserts that Ruth Perez is guilty of spreading a "long list of falsehoods" about her. Drum roll, folks -- Jen's ID'd another liar!
Wow, Jen's got some special gift! Once again, folks, this claim stretches the imagination. Gavino and Ruth have been laboring in the FEAST vineyard for two decades (sound familiar?), and while I am sure that the Perez' are not perfect, their reputation as "deceivers" has never been raised by anyone that I know of -- other than Jen Epstein.
Hmm…either Jen's got some really uncanny knack for spotting liars (maybe it's those binoculars around her neck in the video that are helping her) that no one else can see, or, well --- she's the culprit.
Anyone -- whose last name is not Epstein -- care to come forward to back Jen up on the Pinocchio-Perez "lie" story?
I don't think so.
Third, Jen claims to Chris C. that Faith's statement -- "The elders of BCA stand willing to meet with you to hear your expression of true repentance" -- is "not what you think."
If it's now what Chris thinks, I think, Billy Bob Smob thinks, and everyone else who reads plains English thinks it means (namely, that: "The elders of BCA stand willing to meet with you to hear your expression of true repentance"), then what does this mean?
Is it another lie, Jen? Another hundred-and-fifty pound whopper? Did Faith lie to you and Mark when they wrote this letter you? Did they hand you a "long list of falsehoods" concerning BCA, just like Ruth Perez did concerning your FEAST episodes?
Speaking of the letter, Jen, in your "primary source" fervor, I have yet to see YOU produce the letter that Faith gave Mark and you following their meeting with BCA.
What happened to it, Jen? Did the letter conveniently "disappear" like the original Joe T. process server documentation?
Call me the gambler if you want, but I'd be willing to bet money that you've got it. And I think I'd win.
So why the uncharacteristic omission, Jen? Why don't you post the letter -- in full? You have called on BCA to do this, so why don't you beat them to the punch and prove all of the nay-sayers and "liars" wrong? What are you hiding from?
Oh, I forgot…it's not "what I think it is." The Faith PCA letter must be filled with just another pack of lies. I guess that the Faith PCA guys have gone the way of Ruth Perez, BCA, and everyone else. And I bet their elders' wives wear red dresses, just like that liar, Beverly McCord.
Oh, and while we're at, why don't we just throw Little Bear in with the lying scumbags too.
First, you tell us to praise LB on the home school conference trail; and then you later tell us he's a "coward?" Which is it, Jen?
Then, in your home school leader e-mail bomb, you write this of Doug and LB's relationship: "Doug retaliated against Little Bear by terminating their long friendship, and he even removed most, if not all, Mantle Ministries products from the Vision Forum catalog."
And yet Pastor Little Bear and his fellow Pastors inform us: "The pastors of Living Water Fellowship desire that it be known that no issue exists between Living Water Fellowship, Boerne Christian Assembly or its leadership."
Somebody's "lying" here, Sports Fans, and I am going to guess that Jen says it's not her. Sounds like a story we've heard before.
So, Jen, does Little Bear now need to start saving money to buy a bright red costume so that he can join Bev and the Gang as they lie to you and your family into the paddywagon?
This whole red dress "liar" mantra is straining my noggin, so let's wrap this one up.
Yes, folks, Beverly McCord is the one in the "red dress." And she and her husband, Kirk, started the Arlington Book Fair, the Texas Home School Coalition, and HOPE for Texas.
And while this couple has endeared themselves to home schoolers around the Lone Star State after twenty years of sacrificial service, now we learn that, after all this, they are, well, charlatans -- "liars" to be precise.
I guess that next we'll learn that the McCords didn't start THSC and Hope for Texas -- that's a lie too. We'll also probably learn that the McCords stole the Arlington Book Fair from some unsuspecting honest woman and then changed the "dress code" to "red."
Right now, we're one Whopper short a family-size Burger King meal, but I don't think we'll have to wait very long…
"Beverly is a liar, I am very sorry to say," quoth Jen.
Enough of this.
Here's my response:
"[Jen] is a liar, I am very sorry to say."
Until next time,
I'm just the Fallacy Slayer
Just in
(I will have more time to possibly comment on this later, but I wanted the world at large to see the true perspective on the Epsteins by the home school world in Texas
S.J.)Swordbearer,
I submitted the comment below for publication to Jennifer Epstein's blog last night, and the moderator has chosen not to approve it. In light of this, I would appreciate if you might consider posting it on your blog.
I am not a fan of your forum, but neither am I fan of several newspapers that have published editorials I have written over the years. What's important to me is that folks who have embroiled themselves in this mess get a dose of perspective which takes into account the Texas home school landscape. And if Jennifer Epstein (or whomever is serving as moderator of her blog) won't publish my note, I thought that perhaps you might be willing to do so.
Thank you for considering my request.
For the honor of the King,
A Longtime Texas Home Schooler
*************************************************
To whom it may concern:
Last month, I received an e-mail from Mark and Jennifer Epstein which attacked the character of Doug Phillips, listing numerous charges against him.
After a bit of investigation, I learned of this blog and was troubled by what I discovered -- a great deal of bitterness from a couple who appear to be trapped in a tangled web of sin and self-deception.
Within a week or so of that time, I received a letter from Ruth and Gavino Perez of the FEAST organization, wherein the Ruth and Gavino defended Doug Phillips' character and sought to explain their own difficult dealings with the Epstein family.
Yesterday, I was made aware of this most recent post by Jennifer Epstein by some mutual home school leader friends in Texas. I must say that I was taken aback to see to what remarkable ends that this troubled couple has taken in their attacks against Doug Phillips and Vision Forum Ministries.
As someone who has been involved in home schooling in Texas since the early 1980's, there is much I could say, but I will try to keep my comments brief.
First of all, what readers to this blog should understand is that Kirk and Beverly McCord are among the pioneers of the home school movement in Texas. Their vision more than 20 years ago lead them to start three separate entities: the Arlington Book Fair (designed to offer books and resources to Texas' fledgling home school movement), the Texas Home School Coalition (a political action committee designed to protect the rights of Texans to home school), and HOPE for Texas (designed to offer how-to resources and other practical helps to Texas home educators). A lot has changed since the middle 1980s (including HOPE for Texas merging with THSC several years ago), but what has not changed is the esteem and respect in which home school leaders and families across Texas hold Kirk and Beverly McCord.
I remember distinctly the phone call more than 20 years ago when Beverly first called our home and requested that our family's name be added to the leadership roll of their Hearth and Home Ministries "Handbook for Texas Home Schoolers." Identifying yourself as a home school leader then was risky, as the Leeper v. Arlington Independent School District case was not yet settled, and yet Kirk and Beverly's vision was to provide a helpful resource to assist any family who had the courage to begin the process of home educating -- even if that meant prosecution.
Thankfully, due to the valiant efforts of the McCords, Shelby Sharpe, and others, the right to home school in Texas was secured when the Texas Supreme Court affirmed the Leeper decision in 1991.
The old "Hearth and Home" Handbook would later become the "HOPE for Texas" Handbook and now, more recently, it is being published by THSC -- all organizations that the McCords helped to organize. Kirk and Beverly's fingerprints can be found all over the home education saga in Texas; and someday, when the history books are written on Texas home schooling, their life testimony will be central to the story.
The McCords have endured many attacks over the years, but the recent public stunt by Jennifer Epstein as part of a coordinated campaign against Doug Phillips may well represent a low point -- not so much in terms of difficulty for the McCords, but in terms of the lowball tactics that were employed.
To be blunt: the posting of this video from the Arlington Book Fair is a real nadir. That Kirk and Beverly would be exploited in this way is simply unconscionable. In seeking to further their own ends through this PR stunt, the Epsteins have only further destroyed their credibility to all those who know the stature in which Kirk and Beverly are held by home schoolers both in Texas and around the country. The only way I could imagine that the Epsteins could bury themselves more in their own shame would be to have Mike Farris or Chris Klicka say on camera to police that the Epsteins have "harassed" home schoolers -- as Beverly does in the video clip.
Beyond the peerless testimony of the McCords, I should add that I have known Gavino and Ruth Perez down in San Antonio for many years, having visited with them at numerous THSC events as well as HSLDA leadership gatherings over a span of well over a decade; and I know their reputation to be upstanding in every way. So when I read their note putting the Epstein's character in perspective, nothing more needed to be said.
And now this stunt at the Arlington Book Fair with Kirk and Beverly? I do hope that this is the last of such shameful shenanigans by the Epsteins. This madness needs to come to an end.
As an aside, I should also mention the Bradrick family in this discussion. When they moved to Washington State a number of years ago, Texas lost one of its most important home school families. The Bradricks began home schooling here in Texas ever before the McCords and my family did, and they were among a core handful of families who pioneered the home school movement in the Lone Star State. In fact, way back when, the Bradricks (who then lived in nearby Garland) labored with the McCords at Arlington's very first book fair.
Now Jennifer Epstein has sought to criticize the character of Peter Bradrick, one of Michael and Susan's younger sons. By taking shots at the son of one of Texas' most respected home school families, the Epsteins are once again firing blanks.
Regarding Doug Phillips, I had the privilege of spending a few days with him personally long before he came to Texas when I visited Washington DC for one of HSLDA's annual Legislative Summits. At the time, Doug was leading the Congressional Action Program on Capitol Hill for HSLDA. I immediately struck a chord with both Doug and his wife, Beall, and I was delighted when God providentially lead them to Texas some time later to start Vision Forum.
Not only has my family greatly benefited from Doug's teachings and materials over the last several years (many of which sit on my shelf), but I can testify that his character has been affirmed by all those whom I have met who have known him personally -- including those who he once answered to -- including Chris Klicka of HSLDA.
I first met Chris Klicka more than 15 years ago when he spoke in Houston at a Greg Harris Seminar, and I have had the privilege of having dinner with home both in his home and mine on different occasions and most recently dialogued with him earlier this week. As someone who was Doug's former supervisor, he continues to hold Doug in the highest esteem. And while I do not formally write on Chris' or their behalf, the same goes for the rest of the HSDLA leadership. I know the confidence they expressed in Doug during his tenure at HSLDA which has remain unchanged through this recent attempt to discredit him by the Epsteins.
Having attended a number of THSC and HSLDA Leadership events starting in the mid-1990s, I have gained the acquaintance of numerous home school leaders from across the states. Since receiving the Epstein's letter attacking Doug Phillips in late April, I have spoken to many of these leaders. The response I have received from each one has almost been an echo: "We are praying that God will give grace to Doug's family through these senseless attacks and bring the Epsteins to repentance."
These conversations were had in the wake of Mark and Jennifer's e-mail broadcast. While I have not spoken with many leaders since this outlandish blog post, I can say with a great deal of confidence that once any longstanding home school leader sees the video debacle with Kirk and Beverly in the middle of it, that the outpouring of prayers for this faithful couple as well as for Doug and Beall Phillips will only increase -- and the Epsteins will only be brought to greater shame for their sins.
I am greatly grieved to see how the Epsteins have sought to ensnare others through their calculated attacks, and am I praying for the McCords -- and the Phillips especially -- during this time.
This being said, what comes to mind when I observe the Epstein's tactics is this: "Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him" (Proverbs 26:27).
As the Epsteins dig their pit deeper and deeper, I believe that they are digging their own spiritual grave, absent God's intervening grace.
Mark and Jennifer, please listen: it is time for you to soften your heart to God's spirit and repent before you bring greater judgment upon your own head.
For the honor of King,
A Longtime Texas Home Schooler
S.J.)Swordbearer,
I submitted the comment below for publication to Jennifer Epstein's blog last night, and the moderator has chosen not to approve it. In light of this, I would appreciate if you might consider posting it on your blog.
I am not a fan of your forum, but neither am I fan of several newspapers that have published editorials I have written over the years. What's important to me is that folks who have embroiled themselves in this mess get a dose of perspective which takes into account the Texas home school landscape. And if Jennifer Epstein (or whomever is serving as moderator of her blog) won't publish my note, I thought that perhaps you might be willing to do so.
Thank you for considering my request.
For the honor of the King,
A Longtime Texas Home Schooler
*************************************************
To whom it may concern:
Last month, I received an e-mail from Mark and Jennifer Epstein which attacked the character of Doug Phillips, listing numerous charges against him.
After a bit of investigation, I learned of this blog and was troubled by what I discovered -- a great deal of bitterness from a couple who appear to be trapped in a tangled web of sin and self-deception.
Within a week or so of that time, I received a letter from Ruth and Gavino Perez of the FEAST organization, wherein the Ruth and Gavino defended Doug Phillips' character and sought to explain their own difficult dealings with the Epstein family.
Yesterday, I was made aware of this most recent post by Jennifer Epstein by some mutual home school leader friends in Texas. I must say that I was taken aback to see to what remarkable ends that this troubled couple has taken in their attacks against Doug Phillips and Vision Forum Ministries.
As someone who has been involved in home schooling in Texas since the early 1980's, there is much I could say, but I will try to keep my comments brief.
First of all, what readers to this blog should understand is that Kirk and Beverly McCord are among the pioneers of the home school movement in Texas. Their vision more than 20 years ago lead them to start three separate entities: the Arlington Book Fair (designed to offer books and resources to Texas' fledgling home school movement), the Texas Home School Coalition (a political action committee designed to protect the rights of Texans to home school), and HOPE for Texas (designed to offer how-to resources and other practical helps to Texas home educators). A lot has changed since the middle 1980s (including HOPE for Texas merging with THSC several years ago), but what has not changed is the esteem and respect in which home school leaders and families across Texas hold Kirk and Beverly McCord.
I remember distinctly the phone call more than 20 years ago when Beverly first called our home and requested that our family's name be added to the leadership roll of their Hearth and Home Ministries "Handbook for Texas Home Schoolers." Identifying yourself as a home school leader then was risky, as the Leeper v. Arlington Independent School District case was not yet settled, and yet Kirk and Beverly's vision was to provide a helpful resource to assist any family who had the courage to begin the process of home educating -- even if that meant prosecution.
Thankfully, due to the valiant efforts of the McCords, Shelby Sharpe, and others, the right to home school in Texas was secured when the Texas Supreme Court affirmed the Leeper decision in 1991.
The old "Hearth and Home" Handbook would later become the "HOPE for Texas" Handbook and now, more recently, it is being published by THSC -- all organizations that the McCords helped to organize. Kirk and Beverly's fingerprints can be found all over the home education saga in Texas; and someday, when the history books are written on Texas home schooling, their life testimony will be central to the story.
The McCords have endured many attacks over the years, but the recent public stunt by Jennifer Epstein as part of a coordinated campaign against Doug Phillips may well represent a low point -- not so much in terms of difficulty for the McCords, but in terms of the lowball tactics that were employed.
To be blunt: the posting of this video from the Arlington Book Fair is a real nadir. That Kirk and Beverly would be exploited in this way is simply unconscionable. In seeking to further their own ends through this PR stunt, the Epsteins have only further destroyed their credibility to all those who know the stature in which Kirk and Beverly are held by home schoolers both in Texas and around the country. The only way I could imagine that the Epsteins could bury themselves more in their own shame would be to have Mike Farris or Chris Klicka say on camera to police that the Epsteins have "harassed" home schoolers -- as Beverly does in the video clip.
Beyond the peerless testimony of the McCords, I should add that I have known Gavino and Ruth Perez down in San Antonio for many years, having visited with them at numerous THSC events as well as HSLDA leadership gatherings over a span of well over a decade; and I know their reputation to be upstanding in every way. So when I read their note putting the Epstein's character in perspective, nothing more needed to be said.
And now this stunt at the Arlington Book Fair with Kirk and Beverly? I do hope that this is the last of such shameful shenanigans by the Epsteins. This madness needs to come to an end.
As an aside, I should also mention the Bradrick family in this discussion. When they moved to Washington State a number of years ago, Texas lost one of its most important home school families. The Bradricks began home schooling here in Texas ever before the McCords and my family did, and they were among a core handful of families who pioneered the home school movement in the Lone Star State. In fact, way back when, the Bradricks (who then lived in nearby Garland) labored with the McCords at Arlington's very first book fair.
Now Jennifer Epstein has sought to criticize the character of Peter Bradrick, one of Michael and Susan's younger sons. By taking shots at the son of one of Texas' most respected home school families, the Epsteins are once again firing blanks.
Regarding Doug Phillips, I had the privilege of spending a few days with him personally long before he came to Texas when I visited Washington DC for one of HSLDA's annual Legislative Summits. At the time, Doug was leading the Congressional Action Program on Capitol Hill for HSLDA. I immediately struck a chord with both Doug and his wife, Beall, and I was delighted when God providentially lead them to Texas some time later to start Vision Forum.
Not only has my family greatly benefited from Doug's teachings and materials over the last several years (many of which sit on my shelf), but I can testify that his character has been affirmed by all those whom I have met who have known him personally -- including those who he once answered to -- including Chris Klicka of HSLDA.
I first met Chris Klicka more than 15 years ago when he spoke in Houston at a Greg Harris Seminar, and I have had the privilege of having dinner with home both in his home and mine on different occasions and most recently dialogued with him earlier this week. As someone who was Doug's former supervisor, he continues to hold Doug in the highest esteem. And while I do not formally write on Chris' or their behalf, the same goes for the rest of the HSDLA leadership. I know the confidence they expressed in Doug during his tenure at HSLDA which has remain unchanged through this recent attempt to discredit him by the Epsteins.
Having attended a number of THSC and HSLDA Leadership events starting in the mid-1990s, I have gained the acquaintance of numerous home school leaders from across the states. Since receiving the Epstein's letter attacking Doug Phillips in late April, I have spoken to many of these leaders. The response I have received from each one has almost been an echo: "We are praying that God will give grace to Doug's family through these senseless attacks and bring the Epsteins to repentance."
These conversations were had in the wake of Mark and Jennifer's e-mail broadcast. While I have not spoken with many leaders since this outlandish blog post, I can say with a great deal of confidence that once any longstanding home school leader sees the video debacle with Kirk and Beverly in the middle of it, that the outpouring of prayers for this faithful couple as well as for Doug and Beall Phillips will only increase -- and the Epsteins will only be brought to greater shame for their sins.
I am greatly grieved to see how the Epsteins have sought to ensnare others through their calculated attacks, and am I praying for the McCords -- and the Phillips especially -- during this time.
This being said, what comes to mind when I observe the Epstein's tactics is this: "Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him" (Proverbs 26:27).
As the Epsteins dig their pit deeper and deeper, I believe that they are digging their own spiritual grave, absent God's intervening grace.
Mark and Jennifer, please listen: it is time for you to soften your heart to God's spirit and repent before you bring greater judgment upon your own head.
For the honor of King,
A Longtime Texas Home Schooler
Jennifer why did you lie?
Not that I'm suprised mind you.
Folks if you can't see a pattern by now then I can't convince you.
Jennifer is lying about BCA
Lying about Doug and Beall
Lying about the excommunication
Lying about Faith PCA
and the list goes on and on but now she is caught publically lying to Kate Felmey
and again Mrs. Felmey says
Read it all here
Now Kate is Fed Up too
S.J.
Please stop by her blog @ kateschosen.wordpress.com and thank her for taking such a stron stand for truth.
Folks if you can't see a pattern by now then I can't convince you.
Jennifer is lying about BCA
Lying about Doug and Beall
Lying about the excommunication
Lying about Faith PCA
and the list goes on and on but now she is caught publically lying to Kate Felmey
Me: I have heard this voice (Jen’s) in the phone call I blogged about on my blog. I do not know why she would continue to deny it even after I have in GOOD FAITH trusted her to tell me the truth. I feel I have been lied to and manipulated in this situation, even when I have asked very pointed questions. Go ahead, attack my message which is one that is this: EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS MESS: QUIT LYING TO THE CHURCH and Bride of Christ.
and again Mrs. Felmey says
She has deceived not just me, but countless others now in this internet thing. Some will defend her until they look foolish (already has happened). Her defenders take her account as gospel. Who shoved the boy? Come on! The police were there, that’s no light issue. No, her defenders don’t stop for one moment to think that she is lying. “For all have sinned”, people. You want proof of your sin, Jen? You want proof, defenders of Jen? I have shown you her lies. You now have the responsibility to take it before the Lord, because being willingly ingnorant will not stand before Him.
Read it all here
Now Kate is Fed Up too
S.J.
Please stop by her blog @ kateschosen.wordpress.com and thank her for taking such a stron stand for truth.
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